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1979 Lakewood P-237

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Please become a Patron: www.patreon.com/spatsandharley SPECIAL THANKS to ToryTheFanMan! Subscribe to his channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/torythefanman --------------------------------------------------------- We picked up this P-237 probably four years ago. The P-237, for all intents and purposes, is a P-223 with thermostat control. This fan was cleaned, oiled and waxed.. and on the first run, a pop, flash, and smoke... the motor is fried. Closer examination revealed specks of cracked varnish on the windings, as well as the presence of "copper beads," which are melted parts of failed winding. Thanks to Tory for providing a replacement motor!
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Derek Obidowski (2 months ago)
some of these newer lakewood McMillan electric motors are thermally protected as they have an auto reset thermal protector in the motor next to one of the windings as if it gets too hot the protector will trip and reset when the motor cools. unlike today's chinapride just a dinky thermal fuse when it blows the fan is dead. as these motors i replaced in these Vornado fans i got they had an AO label on the motor saying Air over saying like these box fan motors and other motors they have to be mounted in the airstream of an air moving appliance as the older lakewood fans got more fins in the hub to cool the blades. as you can get these Klixon thermal protectors on Ebay as they can also be used in transformers too. https://www.ebay.com/itm/10-Thermitrol-7AM-Series-Thermal-Switches-Thermostats-N7AM429A5-Motor-Protector/291239887230?hash=item43cf40017e:g:J8EAAOSw-jhUD9mG:sc:USPSFirstClass!16001!US!-1:rk:36:pf:0
Will's Adventures (2 months ago)
I have a Dayton variant square corner 2nd gen P-223 with a dead motor. One day I went to turn it off and heard a pop then started to smell that electrical burning smell. I haven't plugged it in since then but if memory serves me right it weakly runs. Any advice on where to find a reasonably priced replacement motor even if it's not an exact replacement would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
apctech1 (2 months ago)
do either of you know how i can get a replacement motor for my p25 like the one you have and did a review on mine has a flat spot in one of the barenings and i want to replace it and keep my p 25 alive
ToryTheFanMan (2 months ago)
I completly forgot i sent you that lol. Glad to see it got fixed. Thats a rare fan too. Great job Harley! Thats got some nice startup sounds. I sand mine too..Never heard of it causing issues..But whatever..lol It helps get the front bearings off without strain on the bearings. I find it to be an excellent thing to do especially if your gonna clean out the bearings and put fresh oil in them.
matthewbestdfghy (2 months ago)
If you like the music selections in this video you should check out KSHE 95.
matthewbestdfghy (2 months ago)
Sanding the shaft removes rust and pitting nothing more.
Lemont (2 months ago)
good video really enjoyed the Startup Sound the most I'm a fan of Startup Sound motors
davida1hiwaaynet (2 months ago)
Runs and sounds great! As for the dangers of sanding the shaft, most of what you hear is nonsense.  There is one concern, if you have the motor sitting on the bench with shaft vertically pointing up, the abrasive debris from the sanding will fall down around the shaft, into the clearance between the shaft and bearing. Once in there, it will get in the oil film between the shaft and bearing, causing wear or seizure. Other than that, no harm in sanding or polishing the shaft.
davida1hiwaaynet (2 months ago)
+Harley Badger Yep.... common sense, my friend! :)
Harley Badger (2 months ago)
Thank you! When I encounter vertical motors, like when refurbishing hassock fans, I have always flipped the fan upside-down before sanding, so that the shaft points down instead.
Organist2020 (2 months ago)
You could have used the front bell off the 1979, as the front bell on the 1984 also has some paint missing
Organist2020 (2 months ago)
Ok, and i have a few fans that need a good home, a 1960s Westinghouse, works great but needs restored, a 1960s Wizard or Eskimo box fan that needs rewired and some major paint work, 2 2nd gen Lakewood box fans, both work but need lots of love, a 1970s Hunter/EXL 7 bladed box fan with the green cabinet, and a few other miscellaneous fans, what would be a good and cheap way of ensuring they go to a good home? and if you are interested in any, we can work something out, you simply need to pay for the shipping and it's yours, as I got most of them for free.
Harley Badger (2 months ago)
The front bell of the 1979 had an iffy bearing. The 1984 was otherwise mechanically perfect, and I figured the missing paint wouldn't be noticeable, the blade hub hides it.
Raymond Leggs (2 months ago)
Next thing you know a lot of people while whine when you polish the blades.
Harley Badger (2 months ago)
Oh yeah, we've heard it. "Polishing plastic causes it to crack and become brittle" (no, it helps restore it, the oils repair dried plastic.) "You can't polish aluminum blades, that causes them to corrode" (no, that removes the corroded material and exposes new aluminum underneath.)
Raymond Leggs (2 months ago)
I just realized how immature I still am. :-D
thebombyall76 (2 months ago)
I do the same thing. At that RPM and that and applied pressure it would take a long time to remove even a thousandth from the shaft. Maybe the upward pressure on the front (and then downward pressure on the back) bearing could damage them, but again I think that would take a long time. I try to do this before I take the motor apart (as Jordan U said) because often the rotor wont pass thru the baring if there's gunk or rust on there - as you know I'm sure. On the plastic blade fans it may be of less importance, but on a metal bladed fan removing any rust or other crap will hopefully help with the next disassembly for yourself or the next caretaker of the fan. I use fine steel wool and try to move evenly and minimize the pressure. Any overzealous or unwise techniques will damage any work, regardless of the project or materials. Great video and cool fan.
George Blakely III (2 months ago)
Cool. Had one of these fans growing up. Found lots of these fans in the trash growing up.
Charlie Ebding (2 months ago)
you do excellent work with restorations!
Harley Badger (2 months ago)
Thank you Charlie
matthewbestdfghy (2 months ago)
My username is at the end of the video cool. Wouldn't mind seeing a video of the vacuum at 7:30
rmx77 (2 months ago)
My parents had a rainbow like that still have all the parts to it just the power head has broken from the handle but we have all the hoses and wand stuff from it and the power head that needs fixed but its all there less the vacuum but its here. sometime i may find a way to get the parts to ya just figuring a way to. also have to get to them sometime as well oh and there may still be the rex-o-foamer still around too i will have to see
Harley Badger (2 months ago)
Oh yes, I just got that for $6! Works fine, just needs the powerhead and electric hose to be complete.
matthewbestdfghy (2 months ago)
+Harley Badger i ment to say 6:30 next to the fan sorry. It looks like a rainbow.
Harley Badger (2 months ago)
Yup. Because you help us make these videos possible... paint, sandpaper, Novus, wax, etc.. And which vacuum? 7:30 is just the end card.
Emerson Collie (2 months ago)
I do the same thing with fine sandpaper. These motors are protected with a thermofuse as I'm sure you already know. I guess these younger fan collector's need a safe space..
Derek Obidowski (2 months ago)
i think the newer older Lakewood Mcmillan Electric motors have an auto reset thermal protector in them as i remember when i cleaned the shaft on my p223 it tripped when the motor cooled it came back on. unlike today's chinapride motors the thermal fuse pops its dead. some replacement motors i got they had the letters AO on them meaning Air Over saying the motor has to be mounted in the airstream of an air moving appliance. as some Fasco motors i delt with some are internal fan cooled as it can be outside the airstream like fireplace blowers as well as furnace and water heater draft inducer motors. the Box fans it has to have more fins in the bladeset to cool the motor as its mainly the late 1990s to mid 2000s box fans made by LASKO the later Marco motors as well as their imported motors overheat, the windings arc and ignite the plastic parts of the fan as then they had a massive recall on them. since them LASKO put on the blue fused safety plug with a sealed fuse as other fanmakers followed suit but with replaceable fuses in the plug that Vornado 293 heavy duty shop fan it has that as i got it in nonworking condition as i replaced the motor with a vintage Fasco motor and kept the fused plug. its good to have when working on your vehicle to push air into it when you work inside it.
blitzblotz (2 months ago)
If you "sand the shaft" too much you'll go blind...
Jordan U (2 months ago)
I've done that to plenty of shafts and never had a problem, I otherwise don't know how you'd slide off the front bearing.. How did you get that blade to have so much shine to it?
Harley Badger (21 days ago)
+The Fan Universe 1) clean, 2) polish. Easy.
The Fan Universe (22 days ago)
So plastic fan pieces are able to be polished hmm.. But is there any more steps before the blades can be polished?
Harley Badger (2 months ago)
Exactly. I guess some people just haven't tried to slide the shaft out when it's all bumpy and rusty. And the blade is polished with Novus One.
D. B. - Vintage (2 months ago)
I usually use 000 steel wool, but I've used sandpaper in the same way. I would say that it won't hurt the bearings since you're not scoring the bearing surface.
Computer Crap plus (2 months ago)
the reason you should not sand the shaft is because people just need to have something to complain about
Computer Crap plus (2 months ago)
hopefully not with actual sand paper.
Raymond Leggs (2 months ago)
I sand the shaft every night. :-D
Harley Badger (2 months ago)
BINGO.