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Small Planes Over Big Oceans (ETOPS Explained)

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Wendover Productions (1 year ago)
So apologies for the slightly shorter and perhaps less refined video than usual! In the last month there's been 5 days when I *haven't* been traveling which means less time to make videos. The good news is that a lot of that travel was to make videos. Also please be sure to check out the video's sponsor, Hover, with the link in the description! The sponsors truly make the videos happen (along with Patreon supporters) so be sure to show them some love.
Pocket Games (27 days ago)
Wendover Productions what is the flight # for the nyc-Lcy flight??
United 1 (1 month ago)
The A380 is not airbuses only Quad engine plane, the Airbus a340 also counts
Turtle boi (9 months ago)
Hey you forgot about the a340
Shaun (10 months ago)
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Derpanzerkonig Gaming (23 hours ago)
As a dispatcher ETOPS is so amazing. It's impressive how it forced the aircraft companies to push government regulations to not being relevant. Also the fuel breakdowns for flag flights are insane the amount of fuel they put in the plane. I hope one day I can be dispatching ETOPS flights. It would be something awesome to do.
big red (6 days ago)
Please do a video on the 737Max when enough information becomes available.
jcwils2009 (12 days ago)
Twinjets suck Twinjets suck Twinjets suck Twinjets suck Twinjets suck Twinjets suck
Tom Luke Mapako (13 days ago)
Great video
Phillip Maguire (20 days ago)
The duration of the flight between Auckland and Santiago de Chile is some 11 hours, and the route goes well south over cold waters, a latitude between the South Western Pacific Basin and the Pacific Antarctic Ridge. If a two engine aircraft was to suffer a critical incident with one engine failing on that leg, particularly in the middle of that leg, would an aircraft such as the Boeing 787 be able to fly 4 or 5 hours on one engine to either Auckland, or Santiago de Chile in a distressed state? Imagine the work load on the crew in that scenario..... not to mention the anxiety of the passengers, knowing that there is no airport anywhere close, and the fear of the plane having to be ditched in freezing cold turbulent oceanic waters... The only other airports in that remote region are Papeete (PPT) or Easter Island (IPC), and they are still a long distance away, very far north of the usual routes flown by commercial aviation between Australia or New Zealand and South America. It may be that there are some remote islands that have an emergency landing strip that I may not be aware of, but it is hard to imagine that any exist, as there are no land mass, except the Antarctic continent, which is also a significant distance for a plane to divert to, and one that would have severe weather conditions for any such landing. Any such remote airstrip would not have the serviceability that ETOPS require in any event.. If on the other hand, a 4 engine aircraft had a similar incident to one of it's engines, it would have 3 other engines in use, and one would think have far better odds in most emergency situations to make the distance in such a scenario.
wesley ross (20 days ago)
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K3rM1t D4t 301 (22 days ago)
what about the A 340? it has 4 engines also, just because an airplane has 2 engines, that doesn't mean its small. the a-350 is one of the longest planes in the world and can carry up to 400 passengers. thats not a small plane
Nicholas Boscaino (23 days ago)
ETOPS - Engines Turn Or Passengers Swim
Tom Davis (25 days ago)
I personally have no problem with more engines.
Bahar Din (21 days ago)
you don't but Airlines bosses do. they would not want a 4 engine plane if a 2 engine one can get the job done nicely
Jim Branca (26 days ago)
i would have to fly a widebody jet on any flight more than 4 hours
New Thought (1 month ago)
I thought it was very good, actually: well presented, informative and interesting. And relevant.
G Dunken (1 month ago)
7:30 That puppy plane A318 was so cute. Its wings are so tiny, but tail appeared slightly bigger relative to the size of the fuselage.
Ownage Zizou (1 month ago)
I would never fly international on a mini plane. They are more prone to crashes
Mo River (1 month ago)
If that same 787 had 5 hr. + ETOPS certification, then why divert and not continue to either Canada or west coast US? Back in the day, ETOPS meant Extended Twin OPerationS.
Fulgencio Factor (1 month ago)
Civil airlines should be capable of air refuelling!
WinginWolf (1 month ago)
Wait, couldn't DC8s and 707s fly between LAX and Hawaii?
PikachuIce (1 month ago)
7:46 but we must fear the inadequate IFEs on tiny jets
Alex Cui (1 month ago)
Just heard that A380 has stopped production. I guess an era has ended.
Sgt. Hippie Cat (1 month ago)
JKerman511 (1 month ago)
"...made possible by Huver"
Bob Boberson (1 month ago)
Love these posts. But no, Hawaii didn't develop because of air restrictions. Ohau had an airport capable of handling 747's. Hawaii had no intention of building such airports on the other islands because of the well-established commuter services. And the manufacturers changed the policy, not the other way around.
DevilDigger XD (1 month ago)
you forgot the a340 is twin engined
sultan dahlawi (1 month ago)
Abdulaziz is a good place and a little
knightrider1545 (1 month ago)
I bet a twin engine aircraft with bugatti Chiron motors wont fail .
I dont Know (1 month ago)
See when you said the A380 and 747 where the only 4 engine planes the had you wrong there is the A340 and I know this isn’t a 4 engine but the 727 is a tri-jet
Fernando Dember Laguna (1 month ago)
He said currently in production. Airbus isn't making A340 anymore. And Boeing neither with the 727
Damjan K (1 month ago)
What if two engine fail ?
KnifeGuy375 (1 month ago)
:) How COOL is THAT!? :) Very interesting! Thank you! :)
casinodelonge (1 month ago)
As ever very informative.
Alexis Chen (1 month ago)
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ItsJustMe (1 month ago)
Engines Turn Or Passenger Swim LOL
Airforce 5 (2 months ago)
Airbus aslo makes the A340, a 4 engine plane
Samuel Jennings (1 month ago)
The A340 isn't produced anymore, which is why he only said the A380 and B747.
Chasencube (2 months ago)
Rest In Peace Sala
ssisakl (2 months ago)
I would hate to be on a small plane such as A318 for more than 4 hours 😖
Ian McGreevy (2 months ago)
Aer Lingus used their own A330s to help Airbus achieve ETOPS for the type. In exchange, Airbus reduced the purchase price to Aer Lingus.
Lasagna Eliminator (2 months ago)
I barely made it on a flight from La to Brisbane, there were so many passengers. The A380 is really useful for that reason: popular/ long range flights.
Laura Z (2 months ago)
I was on a Northwest 747-400 flight from Tokyo to SFO back in 1996 or so. One of the engines went out a few hours into the flight. I guess it wasn’t an emergency because they diverted us to Honolulu instead of going back to Tokyo. There were a handful of people to process us because it was like 4 in the morning. I sure miss that plane especially because we got to fly business class for work.
garethonthetube (2 months ago)
A couple of other points to add to an excellent video. 1. The engines are much more efficient now so small twins have a far greater range than they used to. 2.If a second engine fails, it is statistically likely that it will be for the same reason as the first failure, so it could mean all 4 failing on a 747. There are a few instances of multi engine failures due to maintenance errors.
Jilla Tipp1 (2 months ago)
Dude, you make AWSOME videos! As an aviation enthusiast i just wanna let ya know i love what you do and thank you for it! Keep it up bro!
Flurpie X (2 months ago)
big planes over small oceans
August J Peters (2 months ago)
That was sweet of the Alaska 737.
Chenwen Chien (2 months ago)
Airbus A220 Gained ETOPS 180 Approval just days ago so now it can fly cross Atlantic from New York to London City Airport!!
Abhijit Mandal (2 months ago)
Looks like Boeing was involved ...
Brian Crawford (2 months ago)
A318 from NYC to London lol crazy
Legendary Roro (2 months ago)
7:08 What about A340 Family. They have four "hairdryer" engines.
Alan Gaming (2 months ago)
British Airways London to New york stops at Shannon as well
John Burns (2 months ago)
It is pronounced _root,_ not _rout._
Gaming WithAJ (2 months ago)
Actually a340 is 4 engines
Veev M (2 months ago)
Good video, but 787 "small", or A319 "tiny"??? I guess that would make a 380 medium sized huh?
Benjamin Nolan (2 months ago)
Le Tarm. xD
Rob Levesque (2 months ago)
Wasn’t ETOPS ever based on 90 mins diversions?
Flurpie X (2 months ago)
big planes over small oceans
Rhodium 10 (2 months ago)
In few years all people will fly in small twin engine aircraft without seats to reduce cost...
Chris M (2 months ago)
I think British Airways had to make their 318 flight all business class to make it economically viable.
Sky&Flight (2 months ago)
Gerry Owen (2 months ago)
The Regan era was generally a field day for corporate influence on government. Is there any research on who spoke to Helms in preparation for this policy? I am thinking of how much more aviation fuel was consumed as a result of this decision.
Taras Shevchenko (2 months ago)
The result of the decision to require at least 3 engines or the decision to allow twin engine planes to make cross-ocean trips?
Reece Arnold (2 months ago)
7:05 Airbus also has the A340
Brian Lau (2 months ago)
Why is there a random picture of a Chinese couple at 5:54 in this video? XD
[OCB] (2 months ago)
Ironically the DC-10 earned a name as the "Death Cruiser" 10
BladesBoyGaming !!! (2 months ago)
what about the a340
Roasted Fanta (2 months ago)
0:53 `inefficient three or four engine plane` 1:40 `that`s where trjets (three engine planes) came into play Make up your mind
Adipose Express (1 day ago)
Trijets were more efficient than 4 engine planes, but less efficient than 2 engine planes. Makes sense to me.
Christian Wiles (2 months ago)
I’d still shit my pants if one of those small ass planes rolled up to my gate at London City bound for New York
Andrew Armstrong (2 months ago)
With twins, you got three hours if an engine goes out. The remaining engine would have to operate at 100% to keep the plane aloft. That is not good as even the most fuel-efficient engine in normal ranges is a fuel hog at 100%. No jet turbine is made for continuous 100% thrust operation. That puts the plane at risk for a water landing from losing the sole remaining engine. Four engines were the norm for reliability as losing one engine would not require a 100% load on the remaining three engines. You could actually maintain cruise altitude, but with less speed at a lower power setting. Captain with Pan Am 1950-1978. Happened twice to me on the Pacific routes. They all know this, yet look the other way.
computerjantje (2 months ago)
I almost gave this video a thumbs up but then the talk about 'hover' started and as this commercializing of every video must stop to make youtube bareble again, there will be no thumbs up from me.
Syed Ahmed Adeel (2 months ago)
What about Boeing 707
Xenomorph Biologist - XX121 (2 months ago)
Who else loves the 777
Justine Lopez (2 months ago)
You sound like mustard
S King (2 months ago)
Good video ... I fly internationally several times a year -- and never knew this information. Thanks !!
Manlin Li (2 months ago)
Nice channel, learnt a lot.
Scriptminer (2 months ago)
This was really interesting!
Xenomorph Biologist - XX121 (2 months ago)
Nice vid but I wish you would talk more about the 777
William Yoggerst (3 months ago)
Excellent. Well done.
Will Lewis (3 months ago)
Mirza Ahmed (3 months ago)
No longer in production.
PETEDASQUEET (3 months ago)
7:08 they have the Airbus a340 and Boeing 707 this kind of pissed me off when he said "only four engine planes in production"
eWorkx (3 months ago)
Peter key word "production"
LUKAS BUSK WINQUIST (3 months ago)
Peter Mueller they dont make those planes anymore. They exist but they arent in production.
Adam S (3 months ago)
runway 28
freakyflow (3 months ago)
Been happy with the 747 4 engine plane ...you lose 1 or 2 engines on a 2 engine plane your screwed
munu numu (3 months ago)
Imagine myself seating 6 hrs straight in an Airbus A318 from NY to London--Oh no!!!
Mirza Ahmed (3 months ago)
It's business class only, and very comfortable.
D-Gauss (3 months ago)
Why is the A319 crossing the Atlantic such a big deal ? Charles Lindbergh crossed the Atlantic on a flying lawn mower.
Ian Buchan (1 month ago)
D-Gauss but without passengers
denelson83 (3 months ago)
They could have tried running only two out of the three or four engines at a time…
Joshua 윤호 Han (3 months ago)
The 787 must not have been full! 737 can only fit like 200-215 passengers
Joshua 윤호 Han (3 months ago)
Mirza Ahmed I’m also surprised they had to go to cold bay! They couldn’t have diverted to anchorage?
Mirza Ahmed (3 months ago)
Much less. Alaska's largest 737s (the -900ER) only holds 178 passengers. Only the Max 10 is capable of 210+ passengers.
Hank Fuddle (3 months ago)
The ONLY plane that should be allowed to cross the oceans is the 747. Sorry Airbus, but that is the rule I stand by. (On the other hand, the ONLY domestic airplane should be the A-320. Sorry Boeing. Love you all.)
A2DJP (3 months ago)
Hank Fuddle if that happens, the entire aviation sector will go turmoil
Hank Fuddle (3 months ago)
More engines do not mean more safety. My Dad used to work on United's Stratocruisers and their engines were a basket case of cylinders, spark plugs, and oil, oil, oil. And more oil. And yet MORE oil.
Jason (3 months ago)
Well Mr. Helms was completely wrong.
Ben Huot (3 months ago)
Wow, GREAT video
joe coquerre (3 months ago)
ETOPS or not,I love flying on JUMBO JETS,I'm lucky to be flying first Class from Dubai to Narita JAPAN,and,I must say,these are EMIRATES"Gold"flights,just amazing service and comfort,you wish flights were longer,I flew once on the CONCORDE from NY to Paris in 1992,but I much prefer long haul flights,especially when you take-off late after-noon,and get dinner served at 7.30 pm,a good beer high after take-off,then great wines for dinner,then fav movies,TV,news,discreetly a few"traces".......(in the sky....!!!).
Potato (3 months ago)
FAA is an American thing, can an airline fly non ETOPS plane if it doesn't enter non US air space? or did somehow US FAA impose their directive to the world?
A2DJP (3 months ago)
DontDoxMeBro DontDoxMeBro ETOPS is an ICAO thing. So not really.
Jason Harris (3 months ago)
my dad worked for pan am at SFO for 10 years an ive never seen a dc 10 in pan am blue and white
Vince Abate (3 months ago)
When planes are diverted to Australia, all passengers are whisked away to a giant cool room and given endless supply of cold beer. No complaints yet!
Sebastian Contreras (3 months ago)
ETOPS can be revoked or reduced by an administrative body. After the Trent 1000 engines were found faulty, the FAA reduced the rating of the 787s equipped with that engine to ETOPS 144. Presumably so Avianca could still fly their european routes. (Bogotá to London, Madrid and Barcelona, Medellin to Madrid and Cali to Madrid)
Chris Brown (3 months ago)
Excellent video thanks for your contribution and time, I have learned quite a bit.
Mentally Degraded Charlamagne (3 months ago)
I guess he had a cold day in hell.
XEØN 18 (3 months ago)
So what were the b707 doing back then
Frank Hong (3 months ago)
Cant swim, help!
D Black (3 months ago)
Flat Earth Confirmed
Chronic_EmiLz (3 months ago)
How long can a 737 and a320 fly?
IHATE2016 SOOMUCH (3 months ago)
0:26 Does the 60-minute rule applied to Airbuses at the time?
Breezecam (4 months ago)
great video, very well explained!!!
Tim Yang (4 months ago)
757 saves the day
Cobra Vlogs (4 months ago)
Does airbus still make the a340?
GeminiJetsNV (4 months ago)
Cobra Vlogs no
Stev 1000 (4 months ago)
A319 In thumbnail!?