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FS2004 - Frozen In Flight (American Eagle Flight 4184)

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Please support this channel by following me on Patreon https://www.patreon.com/allecibay American Eagle Flight 4184 was a scheduled domestic passenger flight from Indianapolis, Indiana to Chicago, Illinois, United States. On October 31, 1994, the ATR 72 performing this route flew into severe icing conditions, lost control and crashed into a soybean field. All 68 people aboard were killed in the high speed impact. Music: When The Lights Came On Artist: Kai Engel Listen to the entire music here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFS_RWHYx7U Follow me on: https://www.facebook.com/allec.ibay https://www.instagram.com/joshandroma/ https://www.twitter.com/joshandroma
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joe hinch (16 hours ago)
How boring
Allec Joshua Ibay (15 hours ago)
Then dont bother watching.
XxItsNaomi Xx (5 days ago)
Captain:Hey Bro First Officer:Yeah? Captain:Getting busy woth the ladies back here Me:lol
Team Ski (9 days ago)
Jeff was one of my wife's flight instructors when she was working on her CFI at Gateway College back in the late 80's. He was a really nice guy. The FAA tested the the ATR's de-icing capabilities after the accident and during an icing test conducted using a KC-135 tanker spraying the plane, they almost crashed it when it iced up. -Ski
WA9KZY (19 days ago)
Good choice of background music. Thanks again.
Bill Jenkins (22 days ago)
Didn't have power steering? What monkey wrote this? It's an airplane. Not a Datsun! Idiot!
hpygolkyone (23 days ago)
..............and thus Aerobus was born.
ttgk (24 days ago)
Shitty 1st day of work
B Taylor (26 days ago)
Bro stayed mellow to the end.
Dennis Gorman (28 days ago)
they should at least change to a TKS Ice Protection System , get rid of the dang boots
Orange9098 (1 month ago)
Those last words tho
R Williams (1 month ago)
I was at the airport that day waiting to pick up my daughter and her mom who was supposed to be on this flight but it never made it back to Chicago for the next set of passengers. I will never forget the filling of powerlessness and fear. American Airlines turned off all the monitors in their area and the employees behind the counter would not entertain any questions if you were not flying. Those of us who were there to pick up people just stood there looking dazed and confused. Two and a half hours later another plane from Chicago landed. When my daughter’s mother got off the plane, she was angry and tired. No one told them the reason for the delay. That’s when I told her, ‘the plane you were supposed to be on crash’. Her eyes opened wide with shock and disbelief. I was relieved to have my family; but I could not help but to think of the families in Chicago and the lost they had to deal with. I prayed for them that night. From the day on, I would only book flights on airplanes that have heated wings.
recon forsales (1 month ago)
The reason this plane crashed, was because the pilots were too immature, i mean C'mon , trying to fly a plane and talk about girls and going to the toilet!
Randy Maatta (1 month ago)
The AT controller killed these people by taking them down to 8,000 and held them there too long. The heavies should have been diverted to another airport allowing the smaller traffic priority clearance. They killed these people.
Bill Woo (1 month ago)
What am I missing? As I hear it, a plane has wing icing occur not on the ground but IN FLIGHT, and the crew has engage in flight de-icing, yet the plane went down due to wing icing? If that's true, could it happen again? Tomorrow??? Can I take solace that it's only that plane model that's susceptible? Only ATR units? Or did post-1994 technology solve this? Bottom line: could a passenger craft today ice up simply because it flew into freezing rain?
Bill Woo (1 month ago)
7:37 talks of measures to prevent it in the future. Maybe that's enough. But that this happened in as modern a time as 1994 - that's hard to believe.
David Sonnen (1 month ago)
Your videos are as well done and thorough as those from the NTSB. Thanks for your hard, professional work.
taketimeout2 (1 month ago)
Stick with FS 2004. Its more than good enough.
Susan Fagan (1 month ago)
Very sad .. that poor girls first Flight .. RIP all the victims .. x
AlmostWins (1 month ago)
Make more video like this 🙂
agentorange20 (2 months ago)
Plane flips upside down. “Mellow it out.” Jeeeezus.
Jean'28 Som (2 months ago)
So saddest......😣
Evan Moyer (2 months ago)
Great videos. They're simply yet illustrative. It makes you feel like you're in the cockpit going through the experience.
Keith Waites (2 months ago)
The French strike again...stick to Boeing ( I'm English by the way...if it ain't a Boeing I ain't going)
RedneckSpaceMan (2 months ago)
The pilots were young kids, really, but extensive experience for their ages. Especially the Captain, 29 and over 10k hours.
Keith Purdue (2 months ago)
Copilot is a really skinny dude and you can't even see him due to his anorexia.
Clark Gable (2 months ago)
Her first day in the job
Paul Dalnoky (2 months ago)
I first noticed the ages of the pilots, then it got real
Thomas Wieser (2 months ago)
ATR = All Those Relays
Travis Nelson (2 months ago)
I don't know how anybody gives these videos a thumbs down. The recreations are very accurate and factual, no annoying commentary, just straightforward captions describing the current situation, and appropriate music. I think they're all very well done and are as accurate, fair, and objective as you can get.
Rosanne Coffman (2 months ago)
Another great video, Alec, but so sad
William Fitzpatrick (2 months ago)
The CVR on this is horrifying.
Mr.L.A. (3 months ago)
i don't fly.....PERIOD
Levine Levine (3 months ago)
ATR is a joint project between Italy and France. The production and most of the design work were Italian. The French plane designer would not have cut corner.
OBOYZ (3 months ago)
When that master caution goes off, it must be a horrible feeling
Wayne Mathews (3 months ago)
Stupid no fooling around on a plane
Californialover lowman (3 months ago)
Pilots screwing around not doing their job with no attention t detail got everyone killed!!
Kanye West (21 days ago)
Californialover Iowman how could they have possibly known that their de-icing systems weren't as efficient as they hoped to be?
Californialover lowman (1 month ago)
Eurovision Tales instead of being more interested in screwing the flight attendants they should have been checking the ice level on their wings! Total inna tention got everybody killed and hope their family sued for a bundle
Eurovision Tales (1 month ago)
There was nothing that the pilot could have done at that moment
Californialover lowman (3 months ago)
i am joe. For these two horndogs, too little too late!
i am joe (3 months ago)
Carol Loman its ice damnit the pilot tried to save the plane as you could see
Scooby Carr (3 months ago)
Holy shit! Imagine dying on a flight on your first day on the job. One of the flight attendants did.
Nexus (23 days ago)
Scooby Carr Whilst everyone focuses on it being Holbergs first day....perhaps think about the passengers who may have been: - rushing to get to a dying loved one - about to get married - worried about children who might be depressed - just got free from an abusive relationship - etc etc All those people had lives. Personally, I commuted by plane a lot, but another time I bought a last minute ticket before Christmas to see my boyfriend who was injured from a combat tour and had just been flown back, he already had severe ptsd and his best buddy died on the flight back. He was in a mess, there was a strike coming so it was amazing I even got a ticket plus got to the airport just in time. Everyone has a story.
Phil Anderson (3 months ago)
Poor Amanda Holberg!
Scooby Carr (3 months ago)
Phil Anderson Judging from the facts represented here Miss Holberg was on her first day on the job.
Lance Sheffield (3 months ago)
A female friend, Regina Polk. crashed & died (unidentified) on flight 4184, she will be forever remembered & missed, Mills College class'71, Oakland.
Leighton Samms (3 months ago)
Cardinal sin #1, disconnect auto pilot, once ICE, is a factor, as you will NOT realize what’s happening , until it’s a tad late, yeah, they extended boots further back,to prevent ailerons from icing over, as was this case, never been on an ATR 72, only the ATR 42, PR to Beef Island TORTOLA BVI, AA had substituted some SAAB. Planes in icing conditions, after this crash. May they RIP !
bart polin (4 months ago)
As usual, an excellent video. I'm still trying to figure out how an ATC Trainee gets a job @ O'Hare. Most people don't realize that just because some of these airlines have the names Delta, American, or United before the other name, it is NOT owned and operated by those airlines. A pilot who hasn't reached puberty, belongs in a glider. Its safer for all, in the air, and on the ground. Besides, glider and military pilots, make the best pilots anyway
Giordan Diodato (2 months ago)
Problem was her boss was taking a break.
Kusum Ramdas (4 months ago)
How can those people play with other's lives? Its the investigating officer's duty to make sure that everything is upto the mark. Without proper facilities n equipments how can u be sure that he plane is ready to fly in bad weather conditions?
GroomLeader (4 months ago)
I remember seeing that news coverage. Wing icing is such a deadly danger.
Flyfisher1976 (4 months ago)
That gosh darn power steering!
Justa Bowler (4 months ago)
So sad...was just starting to like those guys
Michael T (5 months ago)
ATR = 1960's Volkswagon bus with wings.
Rob Trubiano (5 months ago)
All I can think about was that poor girl on her first day on the job being hit on the whole time by the same guy that kills her
Nexus (23 days ago)
Rob Trubiano Yep. He had experience but the cocky, swagger of a twenty something guy is not what’s needed in such a responsible job. I think I heard somewhere he had a pregnant wife too. They need to pair up the young ones with an older pilot who would be less than impressed by such unprofessionalism. Can you imagine being the relative of a loved one listening to that.
HKA (5 months ago)
I think of this accident every time I am on an ATR 72.
HKA (5 months ago)
In the US they did restrict them to warmer climes. American retired their last ATR-72s some years ago and now no US airline uses them. They are still very widely used in Asia (Taiwan, India, etc.)
herman greenstein (5 months ago)
I think they still restrict ATR planes to where there is hardly any chance of icing.
Sara Beth Williams (5 months ago)
The capt of this flight had a cocky attitude, what a turn off.
Nexus (23 days ago)
Sara Beth Williams Imagine being his grieving pregnant wife listening to that 😔 No idea why some men think being cocky, selfish, erratic and reckless is attractive ....they’re really only interested in impressing other men. ...and why would another guy think that behavior is ok. Smh. RIP to all those that died.
Apple629 (6 months ago)
I thought it was an ATR 72-500 until I saw ATR 72-212.
Minong Maniac (6 months ago)
That's a beautiful aircraft. Love turbo props.
herman greenstein (5 months ago)
really love T-tails?
Pac Z (6 months ago)
(Although it didn't affect the tragic outcome, one would hope the vast majority of pilots behave in a more serious and professional manner than this pilot did...)
Janell Irving (6 months ago)
That plane didn't have too far to go.
Nakul Dalakoti (6 months ago)
But the modern ATR planes are great.. they come with glass cockpit and an infrared camera for low visibility conditions.
smakfu (6 months ago)
There are few airplanes I refuse to set foot in, but the ATR 42 and 72 are a no-go for me.
Frank Bowne (6 months ago)
Informs airline about delay...not icing.
Ty Nitti (6 months ago)
Aw shit, fuck!, here we go, are the last words i hear the most when listening to the cockpit recorder.
Donald Palmer (6 months ago)
They should have known better than to fly through icy clouds like that. Those planes probably aren't build for that.
herman greenstein (5 months ago)
ATR planes were banned in the United States until the icing problem was repaired. I think the planes fly in the South now, where there is very little chance of icing.
Marcus Hurtig (6 months ago)
did the captain plan to bang the flight attendant?
museack (3 months ago)
Seems like, doesn't it?
Douglas Muth (6 months ago)
If I was the pilot, my last words would be: "That''ll buff right out." Silly? Sure. But if I can make someone laugh uncontrollably at a shitty joke right before we all die, and make the NTSB investigators listening to the Black Box recording laugh, that's not such a bad way to go, is it?
bob bobo (3 months ago)
I think I would go with Sha beat dat wow ala Scatman Cruthers. Just because.
bob bobo (3 months ago)
That all folks has been done. Pilot that crashed I think in texas after a struggle to stay aloft, was his last words, well, thats all folks. Another guy said, love you mom. Poor guys man, ya hate to see
Bossman (3 months ago)
Douglas Muth right before impact I would say "th..th...th..that's all folks" and then hum the looney toons theme..
Rick Hansen (6 months ago)
The pilot had a Harvey Weinstein vibe.
Nexus (23 days ago)
Rick Hansen Or Trump, when you’re a pilot* they let you do anything 😒, you can grab them by the ...
Bill Olsen (6 months ago)
Capt Aguiar would be bucking for a sexual harassment complaint talking like that today.
NuWorldMann (12 days ago)
I Em Hoo I Iz it’s still unprofessionalism on the flight deck. Any act of this takes your mind off the tasks at hand. Do you think Sully would say shit like that?
Bill Jenkins (22 days ago)
billy is a proud neutered liberal.
I Em Hoo I Iz (1 month ago)
Well, no. He really wasn't harassing anyone. I know referring to the trainee flight controller as chick was not appropriate, and I suppose he probably sensed that she was none too certain of what she was doing, and also saying he was busy with the ladies was not appropriate, he still wasn't harassing anyone, so pull your head out of your ass.
Gejor Dominguez (6 months ago)
Sha Rock (6 months ago)
Man I think this is the only disaster I've seen on this channel where the pilots are joking around
Seize Theday (6 months ago)
As always, excellently done!
4surprisingly (6 months ago)
His last words were “aw shit”? Just nonchalantly awww man type of reaction as you see the ground coming up? And the other guy just saying mellow it out as they rapidly approach the floor? What???
Howard Littman (5 months ago)
I had a head on collision on the 10 Freeway back in the 90s. I saw it coming, realized there was no way I could avoid it, and I said, "Aw Shit!". My next thought was that my last words were going to be, "Aw Shit!" However, I survived it.
Jamie H (7 months ago)
first day as a flight attendant and she's killed? now that's horrible.
Nexus (23 days ago)
Jamie H Pretty horrible for the passengers too
Kobe lal (7 months ago)
Yesterday one of these planes (ATR-77) crashed in my country because of flying in the same situation and 66 people were killed :(
Joseph Starvish (7 months ago)
I was in holding pattern next to 4184. I flew with both pilots as a Captain. AftRer this crash it was made clear no holding with flaps and once flaps were put in in icing conditions they had to remain in. There were previous icing incidents where on approach the ATR stalled and the crew put flaps in to recover. After this crash they removed the flap overspeed so you could put the flaps in at any airspeed. I landed at Ohare and had to take a load of pax to Rockford and back to ORD all through the worst weather ever and no one gives you any credit for it. Just that you are a worthless commuter Pilot.
Joe Smith (7 months ago)
I remember this day. Was watching the Chicago Bears on TV as they retired Dick Butkus number. It was a VERY cold rainy snow. It happened just outside of Chicago.
Joe Smith (7 months ago)
This NFL video shows the weather https://youtu.be/xqekvWM_yfw
Carl Flore (7 months ago)
Hi Sir, What model is this? is the the ATR from PDMG ? thank you for your video, i want to fly same model
SwagFlapper HappyFlapper (7 months ago)
You can’t work while you have 2 pee
juliet juliet (7 months ago)
Damn right - the Halloween crowd will be dealt their own hand ... Days of mockery of ancient truth are over ... Bastardization has led to your immediate eradication - add the numbers any way you like - your numbers are going down in a fire like never seen since the dawn of mankind ...
juliet juliet (7 months ago)
Gag liano - Sandra - should da never married the accountant from Texas - just another slave slot ... Bayou - bell - and the alligators ...
john Magill (7 months ago)
Was that actual footage of the plane going down towards the end?
Sarah Riedel (7 months ago)
Despite the deicing problem I HAVE to imagine that the pilots' banter and chatter caused them to miss an important detail that could have helped avert a crash with the extra time. I know this was a design and testing flaw but there was a lot of crosstalk going on in the cockpit it seems like.
Gary Doss (7 months ago)
NO, The problem was not so much with aircraft as it was with very very poor air traffic control. No plane should EVER have to wait to land in bad weather. Poor management caused this. The issues with the plane were secondary.
# (7 months ago)
That was a steep and evil crash. And with all my respect for aviation, that is a piece of shit plane.
David611950 (7 months ago)
Sad, don't fly anymore, TSA to blame and bad aircraft maintenance 😡🤢👎
Robert Lloyd (8 months ago)
i think it should have been prevented by safety measures
Robert Lloyd (8 months ago)
so sad sounds like the pilots were not paying attention enough
Craig Pennington (8 months ago)
Flying is still safer than driving. Cheese burgers,cell phones and computers are all used when driving. I've seen it many a time and nobody in those vehicles are paying least bit of attention. I'd fly any day. But like any thing else, the more planes in the air, the more shit is going to happen.
Tien lu (8 months ago)
Don't say aw, sh*t
Tien lu (8 months ago)
OÄKTA DOPBOK (8 months ago)
They used flaps to pitch the nose down? WTF flight manual did they get that out of?
Selinee Tejada (8 months ago)
Curse you ice for this! 😤
Arthur Steward (8 months ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJuEAQbxWRo This one please!
Jorge Calvo (8 months ago)
The ATR is a lousy and dangerous plane.I wouldn't fly in one of them.
mach smith (8 months ago)
so sad!
Emmanuel Luzano (8 months ago)
Jesse D (8 months ago)
He dose 😅
Blue Acidball (8 months ago)
So we all learnt a lesson: Never fly in American Airlines, or American Eagle. But still, there are a lot, and I mean a lot of airlines that you shouldn’t fly in, like Spirit Airlines. If you’re one of those unlucky people who fly in these airlines, be prepared for unexpected surprises.
Hell's Cryptic Rose (8 months ago)
Up until a few years ago I lived in the area where this happened. I remember sitting in the kitchen on Halloween night watching TV with my mom when this happened. We heard this loud BOOM and the whole house shook. We thought it was just a sonic boom as they happen on occasion in that area. We didn't know it was a plane crash 7 minutes from the house until the next day. I was in high school at the time They used my high school's newly built gym to hold the body parts in refrigeration temporarily.
Jeff Steffen (8 months ago)
Maybe if the Captain had been paying more attention to his plane, this would not have happened.
David Gerhart (8 months ago)
It seems like you have access to the flight audio, as you often quote what they or the tower says. Wht don't you just play the audio?
Jason Vyzer (2 months ago)
To the best of my knowledge, the CVR from this crash has never made it into public domain. Only the transcripts.
M. S. L. (8 months ago)
Why was this type of plane being produced in the 90's?
Grey Jay (8 months ago)
I've watched a number of these flight simulation channels, and yours is by far the most professional. Time after time, the FAA and the aircraft manufacturers fail in their due diligence, and the NTSB, and the flight crew and passengers, inherit the tragic consequences.
skeleguns 10,ooo,ooo (8 months ago)
What the? The plane did not explode
skeleguns 10,ooo,ooo (8 months ago)
This plane, gets extremely frozen
Chris L (8 months ago)
After further consideration I can safely say that the FRENCH SUCK!
Paul Steed (8 months ago)
I would not want a couple of 30 year olds flying my plane
Randall Ball (13 days ago)
Well that's the most ignorant thing I've read today. I would not want some geriatric barely passed his flight physical old men flying my plane. Apparently they needed to fight past 250Ibs of force into the controlls and still couldn't do it. I'm sure some 50 somethings would have had a better shot....
Nexus (23 days ago)
Lyn 123 Slight difference, isn’t there.
Nexus (23 days ago)
Hmm I do tend to agree with pilots up to their early 30’s, at least they could be paired up with a more experienced pilot and less likely to get carried away and cocky.
Dan R (1 month ago)
FReSh JiVE Your argument started out well, but you invalidated it with your toddler comment. You sir, are a moron. NO OFFENSE!
artgoat (1 month ago)
@FrEsH jIvE--A combined 5,000 hours of experience in that particular airframe is far from inexperienced. That's the equivalent of flying that particular plane eight hours a day, seven days a week, for two YEARS, and that's not even their total flight experience. Just their experience with that particular aircraft. That's a lot more flight time than USAF combat pilots get before they are given $100 million fighters (and most of THEM are under 30).
Sibte Kazmi (8 months ago)
omg when it crashes cool