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Hey all, a few people have had some questions about the break-down of costs for a ATP License at the beginning of this video so I thought I’d try to clear things up and show a few sources for the different components.
College Cost: I misplaced the original source that lines up exactly with $133k but this statistic is about the same accounting for yearly growth.
Private Pilots License: I said $8,000 in the video based off a source’s estimate. Looking at a random selection of flight schools’ estimates it could be even a little higher. Many have also pointed out that the vast majority of individuals can only apply with 40 hours flight time (a small minority of US pilots are trained under Title 14 of federal code part 141 which allow them to apply with 35 hours.) While I was choosing to use the lowest numbers for training as to not sensationalize the cost numbers (it’s sensational enough as it is) I probably should have done the math for 40 hours (maybe even more as many need more hours to gain the skills needed) to get a more average estimate.
Instrument Rating: The way I presented this bit was definitely confusing. The $900 I mentioned was accounting for the ground training and then I wrapped the hours needed for an instrument rating into the additional hours needed for a commercial pilots license (215/210.)
Commercial Pilots License: From the comments I’ve read nobody really disagrees with the estimate I put for the overall CPL cost but here’s the source I used anyways.
Deceneu (2 days ago)
Or just admit that pure capitalism dosen`t work in areas of strategic interest and subsidize air travel from the state budget thus being able to increase pay with out increasing cost.
Marin Marinov (6 days ago)
What about the radiation exposure? Probably more people realize this health threat.
Ok man (7 days ago)
Hey pilots are needed for flying taxies 🚖✈️so this problem is temporary 😉
FREEDOMINATOR1776 (9 days ago)
I hate to say this, but most autopilots can probably fly the plane better than pilots at this point. Troubleshooting can be handled by machine learning. I worked on autopilots in the defense industry, and if what they have on the civilian side is 10% as good as what we had, there is no technical reason to have human pilots anymore.
mick cv (1 hour ago)
You say “one” way too much
I'm Iron Man (1 hour ago)
Oh I thought all you need it to do was to join the army
Hüpfer (3 hours ago)
I’m not healthy enough for being a pilot. I would have loved it.
hillberg100 (5 hours ago)
Helicopters, better pay better work
H C (5 hours ago)
Yet there is no shortage of pilots on tinder
Mike Long (6 hours ago)
Go to Middle Tennessee State University. They have a great program for those trying to be pilots including a pilots license
QuarioQuario54321 (7 hours ago)
I feel like in between the regional jet part and mainline part, they fly for a budget airline.
Dolphins (7 hours ago)
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mohd ridzuan (8 hours ago)
Well said . Thank You
Steel Blank (8 hours ago)
I used to work for one of the feeder airlines as overnight airport crew. The food stipends that we had for passengers, we had to use them to feed pilots. When first year commercial pilots make $17500; they hardly ever had money to buy lunch or dinner. The $30000 salary mark is for twin engine regional jets, first 4 to 5 years you start with beechcraft and move up to the noisy dash8 or similar
Rex Longfellow (9 hours ago)
Damn, I respect pilots even more now.
I.R. Wayright (10 hours ago)
Most schools have computer systems. Why not equip high schools with flight simulators as part of a vocational training curriculum? They are very realistic now and if enough students started flying them, they could have some graduates that get good at it, continue with a flying career. Or, if you have the smarts, let the military teach you to fly?
I.R. Wayright (10 hours ago)
Never mind a pilot shortage, where will you find enough maintenance personnel to keep the planes airworthy?
(I am a retired A&P, I.A. )
Jerry Liu (13 hours ago)
You keep mentioning United. Are they actually not finding enough pilots or are they actually beating too many doctors? Maybe that’s why they have fewer routes? (Consumers are not riding United as much)
Electron (15 hours ago)
less air pollution
Ruff Kat (15 hours ago)
@Wendover Productions America is NOT the world. Please change the title.
Pretzel (15 hours ago)
The pay for a pilot in Australia makes it a whole lot more enticing over here. Don't know why the pay is so awful over there.
Clay Dayton (16 hours ago)
This video is woefully ill-informed. Virtually all of the numbers used are incorrect. If you're interested in aviation for the love of God don't believe these numbers. - Professional Pilot
SkilzGamerz (18 hours ago)
Hongkong here I come
thefiestaguy (19 hours ago)
Seems a bit shit in the US... $30UK USD?
In the UK, it's a bit odd.
BA started their A320 first officers on a starting salary of £30,000.... I'm 23, I'm a police officer in London and I earn about £31,000.....
However, a friend of mine is a pilot (first officer) at easyJet, based in Italy, his base salary is 60,000 euros, PLUS 20 euros per flight hour, in total he says he earns roughly 80,000 euros per year.
Now that isn't too bad at all, within a few years he's likely to be captain and will be on over 100,000.
OfficialDevon Young (22 hours ago)
seems like a scam to work for the airlines. they charge life gobbling amounts of money for the education of flying a plane and then only pay their pilots 30000 a year starting. Thats laughable I make that much in 5 months and i didn't pay half a million to get it.
MLG Vincent101 (22 hours ago)
Then fuckin increase the pay dummas lose millions or pay a few more thosands
Gregory Berndt (1 day ago)
Adapa (1 day ago)
China, here I come...
Nora Powell (1 day ago)
I️ am going to go to college to get a bachelors degree, most likely is aeronautical engineering, and then I’m going to join the national guard. There I️ can become a LT and serve for at least 6 years. After that I️ am going to fly for UPS, which the average is 210,000 a year. this video is stupid
Nora Powell (1 day ago)
Not to mention that I️ am going to apply to embry-riddle, an aviation college and get my pilots license and fly time during college.
Flying Fish Guy (1 day ago)
While there are some inaccuracies in this video the bulk of it is spot on. The fact that you care enough to tell about the downside of my industry means a lot!
S T. (1 day ago)
Airlines or companies that build planes could also invest billions in R&D for automated airplanes.
Pilot life seems cool, but low pay and possibly 100-200k in debt seems :/
Erectus Maximus (1 day ago)
Because our youth is being brainwashed by marxist ideology in school. So instead of pilot training, they are taking gender studies.
Cleared 2 Land (1 day ago)
Such a bad Video..
There are 1000 unemployed pilots just in Germany
Josh Rimer (1 day ago)
I graduate in 2020, Emirates, here I come!!!
Dana May (1 day ago)
I don't see how that could be possible
Disco Saturn Loves To Do Subtitled Comedies and Other Things 24/7 (1 day ago)
Why is the world running out of pilots?
Well, that's even tougher asking "Why are TV networks rejecting some pilots?"
neil adlington (1 day ago)
Probably this is the reason many pilots are ex-military.
Cleared 2 Land (1 day ago)
Not thaat many actually.
Cato V (1 day ago)
But then again if pilots a short, the few pilots left will get a higher pay salery.
Cleared 2 Land (1 day ago)
Its a scam.
There are too many pilots actually, otherwise why would there be airlines where you earn less than 30.000€ a year?
Spielzeit85 (1 day ago)
You mean you have to work yourself up from the bottom of the ladder and grinding for less pay, in order to eventually gain enough experience in order to have the cushiest, best-paying job? That's just outrageous!
ITALYRS (1 day ago)
gotta be born rich to be a pilot
Christian Gronberg (1 day ago)
Why is this guy so negative about this,hes not showing any benefits and half this stuff is false
cc360 (1 day ago)
Pilots are just tired of seeing the ice wall and having to turn around and lie about the world being globe.
Ben Standen (1 day ago)
All of this is sadly very true :( I've always aspired to be a pilot, but the cost and lifestyle are so massively prohibitive.
Forget about the cost of my Aerospace Engineering degree (£36k) as I wanted/needed to do a degree anyway... The cost of just my PPL alone was nearly £10k, the cost to get all the additional ratings and a CPL is about £120k, the amount of time that would take is a few years. The starting salary for a first officer job here in the UK is about £25k - so if I wanted to go commercial, I'd be about 25 by the time I finished, and with around £120k debt in a job that earns less than what I earn now as a graduate aerosapce engineer, straight out of university.
projectill (1 day ago)
It takes many years of flying for pennies before you can get your license for big plane and be a copilot there. It simply takes way too much time and money to get to position where it was all worth it. Lower the barriers and pilots will come...
aa dxb (1 day ago)
In India we have flight academy called British Air Academy our courses are easy and less expensive
Gardelitozz (1 day ago)
Hay que acabar con las regulaciones que impiden que vaya 1 solo piloto con a lo sumo, un Copiloto acompañandolo, En vez de que haya 2 ,3 y hasta 4 pilotos para viajes largos, Eso destroza la competitividad de las aerolineas y Drena recursos utiles para otros vuelos.
Sparta Batallion (1 day ago)
I was going to become a pilot but the cost was absurd and i couldn't get a loan as a young student. I'm glad i didn't, the life of a pilot is not so glamorous. I'm an optometrist now and i love it :)
Matt Dugan (1 day ago)
300lbs grey hair yellow eyes lol
osriodore (1 day ago)
Cancelling flights in Alaska? How do people even get in and out of their communities if that's happening? So many communities have no road access.
gatekeeper (1 day ago)
Okay I’m sorry but this was not well researched
Andy Miller (1 day ago)
Don't be sorry that he didn't research. Not your fault.
Extravagance BV (2 days ago)
Because they're 21!!!
Andrew Williams (2 days ago)
The answer is hyper loop .
Luis Vilca (2 days ago)
In my country you are allowed to become a pilot without paying alot in lessons or other stuff only if you join the Air Force for over a decade and then retire. With flight experience you only need a quick capacitation in commercial planes and done.
Pretty much a lot pilots here do that
THEGAMINGHELP101 (2 days ago)
There are so many jobs these days that have an aging work force and not many new people coming in to fill in the position largely do to the incredible low wage considering the requirements to get the job. Airline pilot lots of dept and hard work for a rubbish pay and away from home. Trucker away from home a lot dealing with all the trucking bulshit etc. For rubbish pay.
Gibby Gibson (2 days ago)
Wendover productions, more like bend over productions
Trevor Evans (2 days ago)
The 1,500 hour requirement imposed by Congress after the Colgan Air crash several years ago is the reason this has caused a pilot shortage in the US. Regional Airlines used to take in First Officers with a CPL and 500 hours, which made it far easier for Pilots to work their way up by earning. Now, with the 1,500 hours and an ATPL required for 1st Officers it’s become financially unviable to pay your way, so the pilot shortage will continue until Congress let’s the FAA make the decisions again.
Tyler Hansen (2 days ago)
Screw The Net (2 days ago)
PErsonal airplanes the size of VW bugshave been coming out for years, and more so now thanever. IT willbecome cheap to fly eventually. THEN THE WORLDWILL END! MWAHAH ! FIRE IN THE SKIES!
Kyan Koh (2 days ago)
Going overseas can be left to the planes! Just focus on improving the railways and trains and everyone'll be happy!
SEAN L (2 days ago)
I thought most pilots were retired air force personnel.
Cleared 2 Land (1 day ago)
Then you would only have old pilots though cause when you first get an air Force pilot you are bound to it for about 10 years before you can leave
Metaphetamine 99 (2 days ago)
Feminists triggered at 9:30
Paul Martos (2 days ago)
In the late 1970s I had a commercial pilot license with an instrument and multi-engine rating. The GI Bill paid for most of that long, hard training. I was ready to fly for a living but the only job available was as a flight instructor. I would have to accept a 50% cut in pay and be on call at all times. I walked away and gave up flying.
It seems nothing has changed.
Zoran Zdravkovic (3 days ago)
Easy fix: pay more.
Sanjay Tumati (3 days ago)
If the world is running out of pilots, its because the pay is not worth the investment in time and resources. Therefore, the salary of pilots can be expected to rise in the future until the world again stops running out of them. Basic Demand & Supply, you know? Econ 101, as the Yanks like to call it.
Still, $30,000 seems too low. I think domestic pilots in India get paid more. https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/transportation/airlines-/-aviation/indigo-hikes-pilot-salaries-by-8-and-cabin-crew-by-16-on-average/articleshow/47947848.cms
zachariah short (3 days ago)
I was always under the impression that most American pilots are ex-military. Is this not true?
Van Ivanov (3 days ago)
...So, the idea to to forcibly draft women? "What's your major?" "Biology." "WRONG! You're a pilot! Now hand over the $300,000 in fees!" "But I don't ha--" "Do you want to go to pilot prison, little lady? Because I tell you... on a ticket to pilot-prison, there is no return trip."
Just another of a long list of incredibly stupid ideas.
A M (3 days ago)
This guy is an idiot, if you went through all of this without getting a job then yes it’ll cost this much. But he doesn’t take into account that the average person will either get a job as a CFI, fly regional, fly corporate, even banner towing! This is where your flight training gets basically paid for and to get to this point it depends on the student, so anywhere from 65-85k. Also you need 40 hours not 35 minimum to get your private pilot license, this guy doesn’t really know what he’s talking about... he also doesn’t take into account that regional airlines today and some companies are actually giving pilots a credit card to finish their training and come work for them without a college degree! This guy is absolutely insane!
Waldemar (3 days ago)
"This job sucks. We totally need to get women in on it."
pritam cv12 (3 days ago)
Becoz intrested ppl don't have money to learn flying and Ppl who can afford that kind of education are not interested.
MemeTrash (4 days ago)
This is one reason why we need AI pilots
David R. Valdez Patiño (4 days ago)
8:04 How is the plane sticking to the ground?
Coffin Element (4 days ago)
That's a nice transition to your ad right there
SnowmansApartment (4 days ago)
wtf.. I study math and physics at the university and always wanted to be a pilot xD.. I should study chinese soon.. maybe that would be a valid option
Frankie Kangoroo (4 days ago)
So this is a commercial
Ego Alter (4 days ago)
It will fix itself.
PhillipZX3 (4 days ago)
Like all earned income work, Republicans have slowly killed the aviation pilot industry in the U.S. Reagan started the ball rolling. It's been downhill ever since.
Danny 009 (4 days ago)
manufacturing more efficient region jets will make short-haul trips more viable, and will eventually lead to major carriers owning and operating their own with better wages and benefits.
Darth Sarcom (4 days ago)
THEN PAY THEM MORE YOU DONKEYS
Mark (4 days ago)
After being a major airline pilot for 18 years. There are HUGE quality of life problems with the job this video doesn't address. I didn't have a weekend or holiday off for over 10 years. It has big impact on your personal life and marriage. Plus, you are constantly jet lagged and exhausted from getting up and sleeping at all sorts of crazy times.. For example, try getting up and going to work at 1:00 am regularly.
Christina Rena (4 days ago)
I remember I used to want to be a pilot or a captain when I was young, only to "realize" later that those aren't jobs for women. I don't understand why sex matters so much in these professions.
Brass 'n Barrels Firearms Channel (4 days ago)
Or just join the military and get your flight time that way
Jeremy Moor (4 days ago)
definitely glad I'm studying my diploma of aviation in Australia, just a bit below $80,000 with a student loan which I don't pay back until I earn over $52,000 P.A. this covers books, charts, uniforms, flight time etc. meaning my out of pocket expenses have been just short of $2000. I'll then need to get my Instrument rating, Multi-engine rating and ATPL, the latter 3 I can do while working and increasing my hours to meet minimum requirements for airlines. seems we definitely have it much better over here, Second Officer pay seems to fall around the $70,000 mark from the information i can find...
Rafael Candelaria (4 days ago)
Lol, that is why American Pilots have it tough. I'm a pilot in Australia and life is easier than as well as the money you earn in more. In Australia, the job of a Pilot still garnishes that respect similar to a Doctor. Out of the entire population of Australia, only 1% are Pilots. Australia is very strict when it comes to safety and Pilot Performance. That's mainly the reason why Airline from around the world, noteably Cathay Pacific and Singapore Airlines are recruiting Australian Pilots. QANTAS just opened it's new Flight Academy where it's students do not pay out of pocket, but rather have the course paid via VET Student Loans from the Commonwealth. That allows the student to be able to take the course all the way to Second or First Officer before having to pay back the loan in small increments. Nowadays, there are a lot of Flight Colleges around Australia that work under the VET Student Loans. We are basically taught not to work in an American Airline as the money you get paid is predominately less due to the massive amount of pilots currently working in America. Currently, there is a massive shortage of Pilots. That's making the entry requirements to work in Airlines more easier. I have personally seen the amount of hours needed for MECIR drop from 1500 hours, all the way down to 250 hours in the past few months. And from those 250 hours on MECIR, those pilots are then taught by the airline or a training provider for the airline their ATPL Subjects. Being a pilot is better off anywhere else than America. The pilots courses cost less and give a high standard of flying, and you get paid more. There's even International Flight Colleges for Garuda Indonesia, and almost every airline runs their own Flight College. Ireland's Aer Lingus opened it's wings to the public for pilots who wanted to join their airline, and they were providing free training from no experience all the way up to First Officer. Of course, there's a limit to how many students they give that to. A job in aviation has been the dream for many young kids. I'm just one of those lucky kids who flew their first plane at 12, flew my First Solo at 15, got my first license at 16, and then my Commercial License at 18. There's many ways to become a pilot. Just because it's harder in one place, doesn't make it the best or the most worth it. For those who have dreamt of being pilots and still want to, I wish you all the best and I hope that you get to experience Aviation as I have.
Guo Max (4 days ago)
love from Taiwan
Henrik B Sørensen (4 days ago)
Commercial Pilots are just glorified bus drivers. Fully automatic planes will cure the lack of pilots. It's also better for the environment to seize commercial flights.
Seth Filmz (10 minutes ago)
Yes, pilots haul people like bus drivers. Although being a pilot takes a lot of hard work, skill, and attentiveness. It is not something you do training for a week and your good to go. In my opinion, pilots are underrated. It takes more then an average person to be licensed to fly one of those.
Maniac - Fornite (2 days ago)
Henrik B Sørensen if you wanna trust machines to that extent, sure.
ReallyOrganic (4 days ago)
well this is great to hear because flying is terrible for the environment.
ertyderty7 (4 days ago)
The problem is the people at the top who are the least qualified and do the least work make the most money. At the same time the pay people who put in serious time barely anything...
Shawnne I Quick (5 days ago)
I had to listen to that twice... just to make sure I heard what I thought I heard...
"Start recruiting women... so they get more pilots, but don't have to increase pay"...
(you didn't say it was something ONE airline said, or anything... you legit threw that out there like it was a "good idea".. for real?)
BlackFuckingMamba (5 days ago)
Join the Air Force if you're young enough. They'll pay for college, will aspect anyone who is not an idiot in good physical condition who applys to be a pilot because of the shortage, and have more modern technology
Bryan Trujillo (5 days ago)
Can you do a video on the ski business. What I am referring to is how Epic and IKON is buying and leasing out numerous resorts for pass holders like myself to ski and snowboard all season long with a one time fee. Thanks!
kyle32121 (5 days ago)
Am I the only one who thinks if they market this correctly airlines could gain business and increase rates? I know if I know my pilot was getting paid well, relaxed and not stressed about making it home or having to pay loans I would pay more for my ticket. I hate flying and any amount of reassurance that the pilot is good as well as the plane ill pay for that comfort.
Rapha 31 (5 days ago)
Airline needs to get more cadet programs like Air France if they want pilots. You can be sure that with a commitment of 5 years working for the airline pilots and airlines would be both satisfied financialy...
Smoove Cat (5 days ago)
or 150.000 euro per year forget victim of the system
FreedomFox1 (5 days ago)
Something tells me that men are more likely to see flying as a fun, high-prestige job. Whereas the typical woman will be more focused on the fact that new pilots have a crappy quality of life and make less than a lot of school teachers.
Bob Sinha (5 days ago)
Air travel is not economical for the small towns. Better to improve the rail and bus connectivity of such towns to hub airports.
Awang Budiman (5 days ago)
I'd prefer my flight to be postponed that having to have a pilot whose entry to pilot school was easy.
cooldloop (5 days ago)
I’m only 14 and I’m already training for a pilots listens and am going to be a in the Air Force then I will go to commercial, after that I will be a small Cessna pilot and train others.
JohnM0rris (5 days ago)
Easy solution, just pay them more. More pilots means more planes and passengers in the air
Cri Dr (5 days ago)
business like these do not loose money .. they do not make " predicted profits" that is a different thing.
Mr MoDay (5 days ago)
0:41 hey that's St. Cloud State University, I go there!!!
Джарод О'хара (5 days ago)
1:14 when ur license says you have yellow eyes
Gordon Ramsay (5 days ago)
Ide love to be a pilot but I ain't working a quarter of my life away and getting hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt just to work at McDonald's Air
Antonio Vargas (6 days ago)
My grandfather was a pilot and so was my father so I always dreamed of becoming one, but I was kinda blind. I got my eyes laserd and have perfect vision now, I’m 27 now and dreaming again, how would things look for me if I would start now?